Hello. I thought I needed to update this thing that I call a blog because it seems I still gets some visitors that are interested in what I have to say.
This is a post that talks about the Oh Naturally Skinny CCK.
Well. No, not ”naturally”.
I think that if any of you guys had any doubts about if whether or not Chocolate Covered Katie had some history with an ED, you should know this. All credit goes to GOMIer Meow, who with her GOMI detective skills, managed to start the investigation.
Here’s her original post, which I cleaned up a bit to make it shorter, that will destroy the heart of all the white knights and recovering anorexic minions:
From 2002 – 2003, which is when she was trying to gain weight, she posted on Vegsource.com forums under the alias of Lilliana. This can be confirmed by the email address she supplies (veggieprincess@msn.com, which is CCK’s) and the IP address. She also mentions living in Japan and Texas multiple times. Here.
CCK was an active poster on the site.
“My doctor told me today that a person cannot recover from anorexia without taking Prozac b/c of something to do with the serotonin levels in the brain of an anorexic. She said that since anorexia is an obsessive compulsive disorder, drugs must be used, along with therapy and trying very hard, to recover from it. I am very wary of taking these mind-altering drugs (I hate putting ANY kind of foreign substance in my body- it’s the control thing). I really believe I can beat this without drugs considering I am not in as bad of shape as many other anorexics b/c I never starved myself (I ate 5 meals every day and took in about 1600 calories according to my nutritionist… but even still, I have anorexia. It’s complicated). The first week after being diagnosed, I even gained six pounds! So, is my doctor right? Do I HAVE to take the scary blue pills? Or can I avoid them if I continue to try REALLY REALLY hard?
(Source)
Thanks!
-Liliana ”
So she was diagnosed with anorexia nervosa.
“From: Liliana(12-239-184-39.client.attbi.com)
Subject: Anyone been told that their heart was leaking? (msg)
Date: May 16, 2003 at 4:35 pm PSTI figured this was the best board to ask on b/c it seems off-topic on the veganism board and b/c the cardiologisttold me I have the heart of an anorexic. It’s so weird b/c I have never had an eating disorder and I eat so much (but that’s not the point).”
In denial about it, but she showed physical signs. (NOTE: I did some digging and she admits to Anorexia Nervosa, see below). Search “Liliana anorexia” on the site and you’ll find it. There are also many, many food logs posted by her. I tried to find her on fitday.com, but I can’t.
Off-Topic. I just love Pikachu.
I did some more digging that you might be interested in:
Here is where she ADMITS to an eating disorder (with the proof that Liliana really IS Katie).
Btw, how did you know I was anorexic? I ask b/c someone else just recently confessed that the first time I ate with him and his family, he knew I had an eating disorder (his daughter had had one, so he recognized in me the same eating patterns she had).
Here is where you would want to rip your hair off for believing in all her fucking lies.
I wonder what they’d do if I told them I’d throw up if they made me take medication… I’ve never pruged before, but I would probably consider it if they force fed me the medication. Yeah, they’d probably put me in the hospital, so that plan wouldn’t work.Yeah, I do think that group therapy would be good, but I just KNOW I will start comparing myself to the others and start to feel inadequate b/c I am not the best at being really thin
Oh wait, here. That’s better.
I never thought I had anorexia b/c I do eat- a ton. Usually I have three big meals and three snacks too. But apparently you can eat a lot and still have anorexia. I have most of the physical symptoms (the heart problems, the low blood pressure that changes when I stand, being more than 15% below normal weight, having lost weight, etc.) and most of the mental ones as well- fear of gaining weight, guilt after eating too much, etc. (I didn’t count calories religiously, but if anything, that was the problem b/c I thought I was eating more calories than I actually was). I also cut my food up into small pieces, take an eternity to eat, and drink lots of water… oh and I am a perfectionist and control freak. So when I searched online and on every site, found that I had basically all the symptoms, I had to face reality (I still don’t like the way my cardiologist treated me, though. Even my nutritionist and pediatrician think that she could have treated me with more respect and all).As I said in my other post, I am sorry for lying and saying I didn’t have an ED, but I was lying to myself, too.
Well, You are STILL a friggin liar.
To wrap up this post, I think she should also be diagnosed with Over-linking-and-recycling-old-recipe-to-make-money Disorder and Fake-cutesy-attitude-to-make-money Disorder.
Moral of the story:
Be careful with Internet. It never forgets.
ETA: Seems like someone already did the digging (you can see I haven’t been really reading GOMI these past months…)! There’s also an ”explanation” from CCK. That girl must have been wetting her pants when she saw this.
Asian B*tch 
This is the first time I’ve heard of a ‘heart like an anorexics’ lol.
That said, I remember this coming up on GOMI. My biggest disappointment is that Katie is in a position where she could do so much for awareness and understanding of EDs but instead, she chooses to use it negatively. Denial when it’s blatantly known for sure confirms that it’s something to be ‘ashamed of’ and hidden, and that sets things back years.
I can’t believed I missed this. I saw the date (like late June) when this came up on GOMI, and I think I was just too busy trying to survive off 0.25$/package of Ramen Noodles, working extra shifts and paying my rent.
And no, she is not at all in the position to do anything for understanding of EDs.
I mean, if she did had an ED, then she is just a immoral asshole liar that makes money out of sick people.
If she didn’t had an ED and her explanation on GOMI is true, then she is mentally challenged. ”Pretending”…?
In both case, people will just be disgusted or laugh at EDs.
And as usual, she just tossed the whole thing under the rug. Typical.
Ah noodles, the student survival staple
I hope things are better for you now.
You were away from GOMI and WP for a while it seems, and I also find it’s easy to miss whole threads and events on GOMI if you are taken up with something else. But it does mean you get to read the whole thing at once later instead of having to wait for each bit of it to be posted! Instant gratification 😉
We misunderstand – I meant that if she had used it in a good way, she could have done a lot that was positive just by having such a reach of readers. I can understand hiding it when we are teenagers or going through denial – I was hugely ashamed of it when I was younger (still am a lot of the time, although now i know it’s nothing to BE ashamed of). But as an, ahem *cough, ADULT – she’s really done a lot of damage, yes. Ugh.
Do you think she’s a (sorry, hate labels but how else to describe people) narcissist, or even sociopath? Corporate sociopathic way she makes her $$$$$$$$ from her relentless methods. She strikes me as very cold, very ‘get out of my way or I will run you down.’
No, we didn’t misunderstood, I was agreeing but disagreeing in a joking manner, if that makes sense…
Anyway, to answer your Q, I think both, or I don’t know. What I know is that she doesn’t care as much as she claims about her readers. One personal anecdote:
She once asked me to write a blog post. At that time I was 14-15, and one of her minion. I promptly said yes, and spent 3-4h on it. She sent me cutesy e-mails and told me she would publish it on September. Well, she never did. I don’t think it was a coincidence that her popularity increased by that time, and she just decided that my post was not good enough for her to attract readers and make $$ out of it. I still have the e-mails, so sickeningly fakely sweet.
That is really crappy! I would be pissed off too. She could have at least been honest with you and said that it wasn’t what she wanted for whatever reason. At least that’s respectful of you and the time you took in writing it and gives you a chance to ask WHY it wasn’t up to her standards. It’s also rather.. um.. snobby. Nobody writes a blog post as well as Katie does?
To be honest, I find her blog very unprofessional and not well put together so I don’t know how she gets so many minions… except yeah, she totally exploits the “you too can eat all these amazing goodies and be skinny like me.” thing.
Anorexia and anorexia nervosa are not the same. Anorexic is a medical term for someone who is considerably underweight, which is quite possible due to high metabolism, over-active thyroid etc. The fact that someone is very thin does not mean they have the Eating Disorder of Anorexia Nervosa. It is a mental health condition, which is scary and leaves you feeling frightened and out of control, along with withdrawn, guilty, emotionally changeable and very vulnerable. I hope very much that she has never had to suffer with this. I also think it’s worth noting that if she did have an ED, this kind of blog is exactly the kind of thing that makes people scared to admit it. I mean, this hardly seems to be very understanding.
I agree that one’s weight doesn’t mean they necessarily have an eating disorder. One’s behaviours are a much better indicator, and that is why people think she has an ED most of all. Not JUST her weight, which was too thin, but not remarkably emaciated compared to the majority I’ve been in hospital with. Katie has consistently raised red flags with her behaviors and her little lies that she’s been caught out in, and then there’s the fact that the majority of her food tries to be as sugar free/fat free/energy free as possible.
Also don’t forget she’s been found on ED forums from years back talking about her eating disorder 😉 That kind of helps one make an assumption that she has an eating disorder! She’s been looking a lot better recently so that’s a good thing.
I do NOT agree with your stated definition of Anorexia. You are right that Anorexia and Anorexia Nervosa are NOT the same thing. But Anorexia is not used to describe low weight. It officially describes lack of appetite which is very often a symptom in many illnesses such as cancer. People lacking appetite can be any size at all.
PS I hope she doesn’t suffer AN either. You are preaching to the converted about ED’s 😛
Ugh, she is so annoying! I always suspected something, but this newly-discovered evidence just makes me so upset. I’ve always wanted to believe that she’s healthy. Why can’t she just admit to her past? People would keep reading her blog… and she seems healthy enough now so it’s not a huge problem. I just wish she were honest.
Might as well wish to marry Ryan Gosling.
CCK annoys me to no end. Yeah when I was anorexic I thought she was a goddess and her food was a gift from the heavens.
I’ve had real food since then and theres a huge difference. The main difference being real food has mass and CCK’s food doesn’t… her servings are so small its ridiculous. Not to mention that almost everything is absolutely disgusting.
She once made pop-tarts that were the size of the strawberries. And she made tooth-mark on some Fudge or Reese’s bites with a fork. She could have at least found taste-testers that were willing to bite in it.
CCK’s recipes never sounded that good. I don’t think I’ll be using any of them knowing this info. Being a former anorexic (still have an ED, I’m not an idiot and don’t fool myself into thinking I’m “recovered”– my brain is still my brain even if I don’t listen to it), and I used to eat so much terrible-tasting stuff thinking it was “yummy” (those Atkins bars that taste like crayons, for example, are not “dank”, not even if mixed with a watery lite cream-pie-and-old-ass flavored WW yogurt). I don’t have problems with people who have struggled with ED’s posting recipes, as this is no grounds for being “banned for life” from such a thing, so long as they’re honest. Like how hard would it be to say “I now maintain a healthy weight of ____ (if she actually is a healthy weight, there aren’t a lot of pics to confirm/deny this) but I still like to incorporate treats into my diet plan, because chicken and olive oil are great, but so is chocolate.” (for example),
I am starting blog where I do eat some “fit-a-fied” recipes (as a bodybuilder) but I’ve been very open about having issues with food. Most people are supportive of this fact and will actually be very helpful and supportive of my “fitness” lifestyle choice, and this support has gradually made me healthier and healthier in my mindset over time, such as realizing that 90% diet adherence is great but 100% adherence outside of prepping for an actual contest is asinine and no way to live life.
I wish CCK would stop lying and realize that she’s only ruining her credibility by trying to deny things. I wish only the best for her. Time will tell if she wises up.
She has a big fuckin’ head and tiny little stick arms and body…her face is one step away from looking skeletal…I KNEW she had an ED.
She’s obviously still in denial. I can’t speak for everyone but looking at my past with ED I can say that I fully knew what I was doing – I knew I was starving myself and liked it.
But can we really bash her for it? Will ridiculing her help? No, it will make her worse and continue to deny her eating disorder. Leave her be, let her make her healthy treats, and let her recover on her own terms. Sure, she is in the perfect place to take a stand and help hundreds who are struggling with ED, but she is in fact STILL struggling.
Wow wasting your time to bring someone else down. Good for you – you must be proud of what you have accomplised. Being a bitch is not something to be proud of.
And by the way unless you have been hacking or been in contact with the police there is no way you could have gotten CCK’s IP adress – so which one is it?
Moral of this comment: don’t believe everything you read and don’t be so busy trying to mess up other peoples life.
You don’t know much about the internet obviously. It’s quite simple. If you had been reading you would have seen that AB has emailed with Katie. A sender’s IP address is easily obtainable just by viewing the header of the email. No hacking needed.
I’m sure this little blog on the internet is far from going to mess up Katie’s life. She’s put herself out there and makes a lot of money from those who fall over her every (artificial) word. Every public figure has critics. Actors have critics. Dancers have critics. Restaurant chefs have critics. If she can’t hack it, she shouldn’t be in the public sphere, performing. And from what we have seen, she can hack it – in fact she’s thriving on it – and she doesn’t need silly acolytes defending her over the internet who don’t even appear to know very much about the person they are so enamoured by.
If you think this is bad? Go check out GOMI. And that is the tip of the iceberg.
Plus – AB now has YOUR IP address. Every time you comment on a wordpress blog, it shows the administrator your IP address. This is how we keep track of who is pretending to be someone else on our blog, and enables us to block them if necessary. Moral of the story – you aren’t as anonymous as you think 😉
Dear “#”
Thanks for being extremely condescending and there by making by point. You are absolutely right – the world needs more hate and ridicule and of course we should all sees every opportunity to bring other people down, dig up their past and smear it on the internet. It’s not about whether Katie lied or not. I don’t really care nor am I on a religious mission to save her honor (or wherever you were going by using the word acolytes) my point was simply: being a bitch is not something to be proud of nor is defending someone for being it.
Btw it depends of the law of the country/states whether or not you can se an IP address so no it is not a given. And you really don’t want to debate me on this.
Have a nice day.
I agree with Earth to Julie. I don’t think AB is being particularly bitchy by stating the truth. Cck Had an enterprise based on lies. As long as she is dishonest, people are going to call her out. On the other hand why are YOU SO determined to enable her disordered and deceitful ways? Why are you so determined stick up for someone who doesn’t even care what has been said on someone’s blog or probably even know you are alive?
As for the ip addresses the commenter is also correct. I own a WordPress blog and I can tell you that every single commenter’s ip address is revealed to me, as is their general location. Hundreds of posts, over 10000 comments, not a single comment without ip address not even the spammers. Of course you could use a proxy but I’d still get an ip albeit the fake one.
No it still depends on which country you are living in whether or not you can see the commenter’s IP address. Countries has different laws in that department. I guess where you live you can see all the IP addresses when you have a blog. Good to know. Have you read my comments? Like really read them? Who cares if someone once had anorexia? She made a blog about healthier cakes not about how to stay naturally skinny by only eating cakes. What’s in it for you? What do you gain by proving she’s a liar – does it make you feel better? Girls are so cruel to one another without thinking about it for a second. You see a fat girl on the street you turn to your friend and whisper. Someone dresses differently – well then she’s a freak. Whether or not she lied the blog post AB made was bitchy and that is in no way cool. Simply my point.
The question is; Why are you busy defending people who are only putting more negativity into the world? I am not some crazy fangirl who cares whether or not Katie notice me. Seriously. I just get harmed when people feel the need to bring other people down. Did you even stop for a second to notice how condescending “Earth to Julie’s” comment was? No you just jumped right along agreeing and then questioning me. Did you comment on the girl writing “She has a big fuckin’ head and tiny little stick arms and body…her face is one step away from looking skeletal…I KNEW she had an ED.”
No but I am the one who is in the wrong. Girls. Give it a few days and four more girls will be commenting how wrong I am – probably ridicule me a little as well. But it is the internet, right? And I did post a comment so I guess I deserve it (sarcasm may have been used)
Before you get all offensive about what I just wrote take a minute and think about it.
Oh well I will go on now and live my life. Lovely chatting to you all. 🙂
Are you kidding??????? She sends the most dangerous message to people. ‘Healthy’? They so are not! The message Katie sends is that eating disorders ate fine if you can make money from them. That healthy is getting as few calories and nutrients as you can. That’s it’s wrong to just enjoy real food, it all has to be converted in some way before you could date eat it. That emaciated is ok. And I could go on and on! Why are you so blind to that? Why are all the commenters on her blog praising an anorexic showing everyone how to cheat on every way possible and not even able to take a bite out of her own food- using a FORK to make a ‘bite’ for God’s sake! Of course the ED community is horrified! She is a dangerous dangerous person!
Yes you ARE wrong and horribly misguided so get your head out of your ass and grow up! You can’t force people to join you on the crazy train so you trot out a bunch of tired fallacies then when that doesn’t work,you throw a tantrum – GTFOMI child.
And sure, sure, believe what you will about ip addresses. Because that isn’t true. Otherwise name your source, name the countries. You can’t, can you? Because you just can’t bear to admit you were wrong and take it as something new you learnt like an adult. As for my source? Just Google. There are so many ‘how to’s’ you are spoiled for choice. You can’t contribute on the Internet withholding your ip. It’s like allowing a whole group of people to go nameless – there are just far too many risks involved.
Seriously GROW UP.
Argh stupid typos, on my phone.
Ps. Part of why people feel this way about Katie is because SHE had been a bitch to the majority of people who have had anything to do with her. You didn’t even read the blog post did you?
You come onto someone else’s blog and accuse everyone there of being a bitch… then get offended and call us condescending? You don’t call accusing someone a bitch being hateful?
Well you were condescending – so that is easy answered. And her blog name is asianbitch?
Denmark is one example, Norway is another. 🙂
Omg who is throwing a tantrum? Seriously you are incredibly rude and abusive in your language. And scarily prosumptious.
How on earth did you get all of that out of what I wrote? Don’t give me intentions I never had. I am not saying “pray ED’s! Let more people who don’t have to starve starve themselves to live up to some stupid ideal.” You don’t have to be a bitch to prove a point. And that is all I’m saying. But sure keep getting worked up about what you think I really mean or what my secret agenda is. And yes telling me to get my head out of my ass and calling me a child is beyond mature and differently the right way to argue.
Praise*
Yes I did read the blog post. I am not just trolling out of pure boredom.
because you are just trolling.
And yes, those countries among others censor their internet – and when one cannot participate in the internet they don’t exactly HAVE an IP address to be discovered, do they?
No they don’t censor their internet and yes they do have an IP address it just doesn’t show when you make a comment or send an email.
And you can believe what you will but no I was not just trolling. I was trying to make a point but you stepped all over it. But of course if you know me better then I do then you must be right.
Oh my this turned in to a big thing on AB’s blog and for that I am sorry. I can’t imagen that was the kind of response she was looking for. I guess I got carried away with the responses. I actually didn’t know it was legal to see other people IP address because it is not were I come from or the countries surronding me. I guess I was prosumptious. I still think girls are to fast to judge, jump to conclusions and say hurtful things. You both proved my point.
you meant for it to blow up all along.
No I only meant to leave that one comment but then you made a condescending response so I responded to you and then another one joined in.
so basically, you don’t like anyone not agreeing with you.
Plus, I checked out my Danish friend Sooz’ comments in my dashboard and yes, she does have an IP address and when plugged into IPTracker it puts her in the Netherlands which is close enough.
No I don’t like people being condescending when responding. I don’t care if you agree or not – it’s the way you make your point, it’s the way you responded. Telling me to get my head out of my ass and calling me a child. I never ridiculed you or got prosumptious like you did. I just stated my point I didn’t attack any of you. Living in Denmark or Norway you can’t see other people’s IP address just like that. I did not say that you can’t see them where you live.
Look over your responses and then tell me I’m wrong.
Anyway i really didn’t mean for this to go this far but I can’t help responding to comments like that and neither of you did anything to stop it so no It was not my plan all along, thank you very much.
Your comments, even your first, was condescending, inflammatory and just plain rude – and then you complain about it not being well recieved? And then, you are changing your story re IP addresses. You implied that someone from Norway or Denmarks’ IP address was not visible to anyone in the world. Now you are saying it’s just the people IN those countries who can’t see IP addresses… have you ever tried retrieving an email header to see for yourself if there is an address there? No it’s not just what’s at the top of your email in standard view.
No I really didn’t say that you couldn’t see someones IP address from Denmark or Norway. I said it depended on the law in the country and that in the country I live in and the surrounding contries you can not see the IP addresses and that I thought that was a commen thing.
Well it’s not!
I admitted long ago that I was prosumptious about that. You’re just on fire!
I still don’t think it is anyones business to dig up other peoples past and being bitchy about it. But you just read what you want to and this gets us nowhere.
Waste of time, life and energy. I won’t be responding again.
But you guys were right and I was wrong and I’m sorry about that. I shouldn’t have tried to lecture someone on their own blog an not in the way I did.
I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have come out guns blazing either. I’m very worried about Asian Bitch, she hasn’t posted for months. She’s actually a really lovely person and doesn’t deserve being called a bitch. The Bitch in her name is meant to be a funny thing I guess because she isn’t really. Most of us, have lost so much to ED. Friends have died, we have nearly died, many of us will still die, our lives are wrecked… so someone who makes an ED seem like a trendy thing and basically markets ‘tips’ about how to eat as little as possible while herself appearing to have a serious ED that she won’t admit to (perpetuating the stigma) makes us ragey. Enough people die from this without someone teaching people how to make it worse for themselves 😦 Peace 🙂
Fiona.
I am really sorry for your lost. I guess I completely misinterpreted the situation and made persumptions based on previous experiences. There is just so much bitching and hurting going on between girls but my contribution didn’t really help the situation. I am just hoping for a niceness revolution. 🙂
Thank you, and I so agree… everywhere these days is so much nastiness 😦 😦
Fiona.
That’s was my point to begin with but in a clumpsy way of saying it and by using the wrong object (Katie). I for one have learned my lesson by all of this. 🙂 Have a nice day. 🙂
I’m sorry I gave you such a hard time, especially as I agree with that point! Hope you have a nice day too 🙂
You are forgiven. The internet brings out the worse in us. I better get back to my studies now. 😉
Helloooo
I missed the cat fight 😦
Skimmed through it because I am in the process on making a Sherpherd’s pie, (mashed potatoes all over my phone…), but I just wanted to pop in and say:
1) Yes Fiona I am alive and well. I have been kind of disconnected to the world of ED hence the lack of posts. How ya doing?
2) Earth to Julie, I can now hack you because I have your IP address, MUAHAHAHA!
3) Julie, my blog’s name is asianbitch because I think it is funny and because I am asian. Otherwise, all I have to say have been said by the two folks above.
Back to my Sherpherd’s pie now.
You so rule i unsubscribed today to her recipe blog because yesterdays post made me tear my face off. Wtf i even bought the cookbook. Recipes lovely attention seeking photos ..not. Its this tv show thing. Listen i am a recovery fattie super fattie and every other addict but i dont need all the fake cheerfulness i just need recipes lord god almighty