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CC Pet Peeves Part 2: Unhealthy is the New Healthy

6 Mar

ETA: Read the comments, I find them to be much better than the post itself!

*Trigger Warning!*

Well, technically, it is not supposed to be triggering, but I don’t know how fucked up your brain is. After all, you never know with an ED. Anyway, take what I say with a grain of salt. I’m not saying you should not eat the magic 2500 calories because you are going to turn into a whale and that all members of CC are wrong. Use your freaking common sense.

In CC forums, if you are suffering from an ED and want to *gasp* eat healthy, you are listening to your ED. If you are suffering from an ED and want to *gasp* do some exercise, you are listening to your ED.*

*Obviously, I’m not talking about the orthorexics and those suffering from exercise compulsion. Use your freaking common sense, remember?

1. They are encouraging everybody that’s suffering from an ED to eat tons of unhealthy foods

I eat junk food too. Probably a bit too much, but that’s not the question. The thing is, there’s no way I am going to claim all over the place that they are good for you and that you can have 5 brownies in one sitting.

Newsflash: having too many fries is not very healthy.

Sure, you won’t die from it. You can do it if you want. But don’t force your eating behaviors on others by labeling them as ‘’healthy’’ simply because you ‘’are not listening to your ED’’. In my opinion, if every time you eat a cookie, you think ‘’Oh, I’m not listening to ED, I’m going to have that cookie!’’, then sorry, but you are listening to ED.

Why?

Because you are linking everything you do or see to your ED. That, in my mind, is listening to ED.

Example from my memory:

Girl A: I kinda want a slice of pizza but it’s not healthy so my ED is freaking out…what do I do? I’m so scared of pizza! Is it ok to have it?

Girl B: YES. Get the pizza! Have a BIG slice, at that! Have as much as you want! You can even get the whole pizza, you need to gain!!! Don’t listen to ED, you are a star!!!

Oh, so if you don’t need to gain, then you can only have a small slice of pizza? I hate that they link ”Having to gain’’ with ‘’Eating’’. Like, why do you need to be reminded that you need to gain, that you have an ED, and all the crap…just eat. Period.

This made me laugh.

2. Pushing bingeing behaviors by calling it ”Reactive Eating”.

POST THE 9000 calorie eats! of course it’s allowed. tbh you’d be breaking a record on here and reactive eating is part of a normal person’s diet so go for it i say 😉 you will be so inspiring and it will sure motivate me to say the least. i havent seen anybody here get 9000, so you’d be a record to beat!

Yes, it’s the 22 tbsp PB Record Girl that said that. No, I’m not kidding.

This makes me want to drive up a wall. You are going to feel better by seeing a 9000 cal eats? Really?!

I hope you are going to feel better after seeing someone’s binge and after seeing your name on the ”The Girl Who Ate X cals During Recovery” section of the Guinness book.

But I doubt she’s going to make it. As she said, 9000 calories is totally normal, after all.

Just a thought.

3. They encourage everybody to eat more, even if it’s more than they need to.

It’s a typical ED behavior to feed others. The recoverers on CC aren’t an exception.

Gosh, how many times have I seen the whole ‘’I just binged 3500cals and only went on a 15min run…what can I do?? I feel awful!’’, followed by ‘’For a teen that’s highly active like you, you need a minimum of 3500 sedentary! Don’t worry, you need to eat more because you are so active! Please eat more, you are damaging your metabolism!’’.

…What the hell.

And what saddens me is that, sometimes, those teens are very easily influenced, and they come back with a new thread: ”I’ve been told I’ve been under eating and damaging my metabolism. I have bumped my calorie intake, but I have gained 10lbs and am nearly at the top of the healthy weight range…will my metabolism ever repair??? :(”, only to get replies that are among the lines of ”Keep doing what you do, your metabolism will repair, trust me!”.

What are you, a soothsayer???!!

Awesome movie, by the way. Gave me a good laugh.

Another example. Girl A is freaking out about getting fat, Girl B is playing the doctor AND the soothsayer.

Girl B: yep, you can deffo eat that much and not get huge 😉 like others have said, you need to be eating 2500 minimum, andd 3000 if your a teen! Most teens do maintain on about 2500-3000 for instance, youll be able to maintain on similar cals to what you eat to gain, and you deffinatly DEFFINATELY wont get huge 😉

Do you mind showing me your degree in clairvoyance and medicine, miss?

Also, a typical one…

not eating 3000minimum is restricting*

*I’m not saying you should not eat X amount. Eat what you need to, eat what you want to, I don’t give a fuck. It’s your body, it’s your life, I don’t care if you are restricting, eating normally, or binging. I’m saying that those CC members:

  1. are unqualified to give advice. Especially if they are not even out of high school and their CV only has ”I am recovering from an ED and I know everything about reactive eating” on it.
  2. give stupid advice: ‘‘You need 3000cals sedentary to be maintaining if you are over 5 foot! Bump your cals! You are killing yourself!!!!!!”
  3. give stupid advice and are fucking hypocrite: ‘You need to gain to 24.9 BMI! If you are naturally thin, you will lose weight without even noticing it, but right now you are listening to your ED by not gaining to 24.9 BMI!” (saying this while having barely a 16 BMI)

4. They all go ‘‘I eat X servings of that at once, so you can too!’’.

Girl A: I’m recovering as of the end of August. I’m currently in the gaining process. I’m also vegetarian and have a very healthy diet (but still getting my cals in). However, I find that I crave nuts a lot & feel like I eat too many of them. They are fit into my meal plan, but sometimes I just crave nuts like nuts! I mostly only eat raw almonds and cashews, but I’m wondering if I can have too much of a good thing. Sometimes I consume almost 1 c of nuts (throughout the day)! I’m just curious if anyone else has this problem?

Girl B: hey nuts are mega healthy and in recovery you cant eat enough of anything!

make you feel any better i normally eat 10-15 tbsp supermarket PB a day

so you are NOT eating too much nuts

I don’t want to get all philosophical here, but the definition of an argument is this:

Argument: A set of reasons and evidence in support of the claim to know.

An argument has 3 components:

  1. Premises: A set of reasons and evidence
  2. Inference: in support of (the link between the premises and the claim to know)
  3. Conclusion: the claim to know.

Not only the premises (in recovery you cant eat enough of anything) aren’t true, the inference (I normally eat 10-15 tbsp supermarket PB a day) is illogical. Therefore, your conclusion (so you are NOT eating too much nuts) is not valid.

Nah, you’re just reactive-eating, buddy!

5. Blaming everything on reactive-eating.

i ate 3000in a day and still ended up re-active eating, it can set in at any point, the important thing is that we respond to it posatively and embrace it , and once we do so, after a while, with no restricting afterwards, it will subside 

It’s normal to be scared at the amount that you are eating in recovery because you are not used to it. But if you keep saying that ‘‘I’m reactive eating, I’m reactive eating’’, you are just focusing more on food and on your ED. Learn to just…eat. Period. If you keep saying that, when you’ll get to a healthy weight, chances are that you might be scared of eating because you might be ‘’reactive-eating’’ at a healthy weight. So stop putting a fucking label on everything you do: reactive-eating, binging, restricting…just eat, and try to not think of it too much. Only then you can lessen the food obsession.

Here’s an example Girl A is talking about binging problems, and is planning to restrict (basically, she needs people to baby-talk her and needs somebody to tell her to eat more because she’s skinny). Girl B is giving her that baby-talk. Girl C is backing up Girl B:

Girl B:

1. Your not binging, and yes restricting will lead to you “REACTIVE EATING” more

2. Yes, not eating what you NEED is restricting

3. Your dietitians are complete idiots, i cant see how they got their job tbh

Do you mind showing me your degree in medicine, smart ass?

Girl A! Listen to Girl B.

I went to see a dietitian too. And she had told me to eat 1600 calories a day and maintain. At first, my ED mind interpreted it as “you’re too fat to be eating 2500” that’s why. But then I realised how stupid my dietitian was. I am underweight, I haven’t gotten my periods in forever, my bones are brittle, my hair falls out like crazy! 2500-3000++ calories is not only for WEIGHT GAIN. It’s to restore your body’s natural functions. You were doing so well! Dietitians spoil everything! If I were you, I’d listen to Beth. She’s more experienced and she’s come so far! Wouldn’t you rather believe someone who’s been through an ED than some dietitian who learned everything from a book?

Don’t let your ED win. Please.

My fucking god. First, that dietician never said that she was too fat to eat more. It’s her own fucked up disordered brain that twisted it around. Second, some doctors are very clueless about EDs, but a stranger on the internet is more, or as, clueless than them. Do you know the person’s blood test results? Do you know her blood pressure, her heart rate? Giving medical advice (especially when you are not even out of high school) is completely irresponsible, and a sad attempt at being ‘’Oh so helpful to others in recovery’’. Stop it with your holier-than-thou attitude, and mind your own health.

Sure, your starved body will get in a shock when you’ll start to feed him properly, but don’t be foolish. Use common sense. If you ”reactive-eat” every single day for a prolonged period of time…well, you might not want to hear this, but at some point, if you continue to blame everything on ”reactive-eating”, you might be disregarding the real issue. Could be restricting during the day and stuffing yourself at night, could be emotional eating, etc…or it could be simply binging. I know that for me, it all happened so fast, yet so slowly. I kept my eyes closed instead of using common sense.

6. If you are suffering from Anorexia Nervosa Restrictive type, you can ”reactive eat” as much as you want.

I hate that. They make it sound as if you can only binge if you have AN Binge/Purge type. This is contributing to the whole ”AN Restrictive type is so much more glamourous than Bulimia!” stereotype.

BED is waaaaaaay different, someone who has experienced a restricting EDs cannot develop this as a BED involves no ability to restrict whatsoever due to many under lying reasons (before you ask no, you dont have  BED, youve restricted in the past, your reactive eating, its different, yada yada)

*picks up a mega phone and scream down your ear to ED* [YOU ARE] REACTIVE EATING, STOP MESSING AROUND AND TRYING TO CONVINCE HERE OTHERWISE! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

please just trust me on this one 😛

I can’t.

Just…no.

Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.

This is a scheduled post because I’m on a mini trip, so if there is any comment, I’ll be replying to them later.

CC Pet Peeves Part 1: Gushy Gushy Talk

2 Mar

*Trigger Warning!*

Well, technically, it is not supposed to be triggering, but I don’t know how fucked up your brain is. After all, you never know with an ED. Anyway, take what I say with a grain of salt. I’m not saying you should not eat the magic 2500 calories because you are going to turn into a whale and that all members of CC are wrong. Use your freaking common sense.

As some of you might know, I was a CalorieCount member for a while. I used the forums to try to get support for my ED recovery, and well…we know how successful this has proven to be. If you are not familiar with the site, you might not get the post. And it’s better this way, trust me.

Anyway, a lot of stuffs bugged me. As I listed my pet peeves, I realized that I had so many that they would not fit into one post, hence the ”Part 1” in the title. Today, we are going to focus on the Gushy Gushy Talk, aka the baby-talking, the cutesy language, the ”oh you’re so inspiring” crap that is going on in the Weight Gain and Health & Support forums.

1. The ass-kissing and cutesy language.

As soon as someone says something like:

I decided that ED is NOT going to win,…..I am ready to kick ED’s ass and never restrict another day in my life*

all the ED recoverer sheep are replying the same thing:

you are SO inspiring to everyone else, your a star, ily muchly ^^**

You know what? How do you know you are never going to restrict? Talking is one thing, doing it is another thing.

*And then 2 days later, the same person posts a 1500cals meal plan filled with salad + mustard dressing, and 35calories yogurts with her exercise listed and talks about how she is ”back on track and not letting ED win”.

So…that was your idea of ”never restricting”? Wow, how inspirational of you…

**WTF. ”ily muchly”???!!! Did you sniffed powdered sugar sprinkles?!!

2. They sound like a bunch of spoiled crying babies.

Whenever somebody complains about somebody having commented on ‘how much they eat’ (therefore, implying that they eat too much and that they are fat) or complains about somebody wanting to lose weight (therefore, being super triggering and inconsiderate), their ED recovery buddies roll around and go all:

What is wrong with people in today’s society?
They seem beyond rude and ignorant, keep doing what’s right for you. You’re such an inspiration, I’m so proud of all your progress.
Like other posters said, don’t panic and make them seem like the ignorant idiots they are.

So basically, everybody who says something that your disordered brain doesn’t like or that your disordered brain twisted is an ignorant idiot.

Your nutritionist/doctor can get lost! He/She doesn’t have any experience with ED, don’t listen to him/her!

…because I’m sure that, you, a 14 years old who has an eating disorder and attempting recovery, went to medical school and got a degree in nutrition or medicine. Everybody should take your advice, oh, Amazing 14 Years Old Inspirational Recovery Role Model.

3. Some of them are so freaking attention-seeking.

They tell about their struggles to a bunch of strangers on the internet just so they want to get baby-talked and cuddled up like a 5 year old. This was posted in the ”How did you challenge your ED” thread:

i was low for 2 days and neeeeded to make sure i got there yesterday and at bedtime i had 14 tbsp crunchy supermarket peanut butter loaded with salt and sugar.

i then threw the jar out cus the guilt is over-riding 😦

Ok. How is that ”challenging your ED”? What do you want us to say, that you are ”OMG AN INSPIRATION FOR EATING PEANUT BUTTER” or that you are ”OMG AN INSPIRATION FOR EATING PEANUT BUTTER SO DON’T LET ED GET TO YOU! DON’T FEEL GUILTY LOVIE!!! YOU ARE AMAZING!!!!”.

I don’t know about you, but the more I’m progressing into my recovery, the more I don’t feel the need to shout my struggles all over the place. If you need to ”get it out”, talk to a therapist, a friend in real life or via PM, a parent…doing it over the web like this is just screaming ”attention seeker”.

4. At a certain point, they all sound fake.

They are just repeating the same thing over and over. Ever noticed how they all talk about the same stuffs? It seems as if they say those things just so that they can ”belong” to the ED Recoverers Clique.

yesterday i ate load of peanut butter ive tried to stop eating it at night but failing cus i neve get enough cals on in the morning. so i had 5 tbsp and fresh fig for dinner but then a massive supper. i never had fruit in the evening either so..

loads and loads of PB with fresh dates and a PB & banana smoothie.

and then i met 3000 but thought forget it and got 2 more big tbsp PB. so i had 3200. with PB and sugary fruit.

ED made me SO guilty, but i beat it haha! 😀 i normally restrict before my weigh in too and i havent

You know what? I don’t give a fucking rat ass. Sorry, but it’s true. You want what, recognition from strangers? You want strangers to congratulate you for recovering? Sure I can understand that. But you’ll never recover if you don’t do it for yourself and keep imitating other recoverers, just so that you can belong to a group that gives you recognition. And a group composed of strangers from Internet, at that…pathetic.

5. They make recovery sound like a fun game.

Like a bunch of screaming 12 years old little children playing ”recovery”. Again, in the ”How did you challenged your ED” thread, one girl even kept a record of the amount of peanut butter she ate, and encouraged others to try to beat her.

Girl A: Had nutella and chocolate o’s despite telling myself not to eat dinner.

Had jiff too.

I need to stop eating pb out of the jar.

Girl B: why stop, did you beat my 14 tbsp record 😉 ?

Girl A: AND I think i beat you Girl B. >:-) You gotta catch up fool! haha

Girl B: noooooo 😛

*hands over award winning trophy* 😀

An award winning trophy.

A fucking effing winning award trophy.

For eating freaking peanut butter.

Someone pass me the garbage can, because I’m gonna puke.

Oh, and last time I checked, Girl B was swelling with pride because her new record was 21 or 22 tbsp.

I think Girl B needs to hand the trophy to this fella.

Recovery is not a fucking game, bitch. Grow the fuck up and go burn some calories by picking up the phone and calling Guinness Worlds Records.

I’ll finish this post on that note, because this is driving me BONKERS.  As you can see, I had to go over there to refresh my memories and take some quotes, and gosh…the stupidities I saw!! Even worse than what I’ve been used to. I almost threw my laptop across the room. You guys better enjoy the CC Pet Peeves series, because I’m fuming right now. I need a drink. Bye.